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gold. So what?

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Guys, I bother you again with my old issue with gold.

I never sold anything in this game, not even for 1 gold.

No gold spent for horse (I have the white one) and NO inventory space (not a crafter so don't need).

Also I rarely buy something but let's say I spent around 50K for Warlock set and 2 or 3 purple weapons.

 

Today I tried to buy some gliphs and rings and the seller was clearly trying to fool me proposing something else, then pretenting

that my request is a very rare one, with special essences and therefore he cannot sell at advertised price but a higher one and so on.

I got angry and ignored him.

Clarification: he was not advertising on zone chat but on guild chat (you know those trading guilds of 500 members, I am member in one of those just to use their guild store). You could say that we are colleagues but the truth is nobody knows anybody in these guilds.

So it's clearly like in real life, people try to negociate to get more money/gold from you etc.

 

And now the question. WTF (sorry Nuin, I'm angry) do they need the gold for? To be spent on what exactly?

Do they sell the gold to players like that "not-legit" website I asked you about some time ago?

I just cannot find an explanation.

 

I am not here to boast myself but I stand with over 400K in my bank (from quests and loot only) and have nothing to spend for. I am not talking about a weapon of 5K but something really expensive like a house or something.

So what do all these people (selling on chat) with the gold? I just don't get it.

 

P.S. It's my first MMO but I clearly miss an AH guys.

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I don't get it too. I can craft/loot everything I need. I spent some of my gold on inventory upgrades and horses. I didn't buy a single thing, only sold couple of motifs. That's it.

Maybe we can spend this gold later on some useless things - hairpins, furniture, cows or whatever.

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I think ESO is trying to build a socialist game where we share and trade items for items and work together in groups, instead of working as individuals. 

I think it's a reason why the whole "endgame" is not something we will see here as we are used to. 

 

I think you are right, I think we wont need money, but they need money to be there because else people whould not play. 

And so the money goes to horses and space for items, which is redicoulous since ESO wants us to work more together in guild and share everything instead of hoarding everything, and you can see that in bankspaceprice compared to how guildbanks work :) 

 

If we did this right as guilds we could be really master guilds, but people are afraid of sharing, since there is a chance someone runs with everything. But if there is no place to sell the things and gold is obsolete, what is the insentive to run with everything? See how this could be the prototype of the perfect socialistic society :D 

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hahaha OMG Nuin...you are right only on one point...in communism money were (almost) useless because there were no goods to spend for.

It may sound science-fiction to you but believe me that bread, sugar and sunflower oil were "rationalized" (meaning: you were only allowed to buy a certain quantity/month/person). Also, more exotic goods like bannanas or oranges were available in stores 2 times per year :)

And for rest of common goods like milk there were queues of hundreds of people.

 

I know it soulds good to you on paper (or in books) but it's not, for so many reasons.

I am not even speaking about the freedom of speech (you got arrested if you spoke against the Party or the President) but just pure economy.

All the companies were state-owned so no incentive to work better because the pay was the same, no owners so employees found normal to stole everything they could and so on.

And of course not all people were equal, Nuin. This is just an utopy. There were "securists" (something like SS in Germany), communist activists who missed nothing, they had everything they wanted.

Abroad trips? Yeap, we were allowed to visit the other communist countries once every 2 years (for example I as a child visited Hungary, former Cehoslovacia, Poland and Eastern Germany). Visit the Western Countries? Hahaha, good joke :) Come with us to the Police to speak about this!

Please, forget about socialism.

If you don't believe me, just ask Flavia and Gelmir. They lived in Soviet Union so they can confirm.

 

Later: forgot to add that sometimes the power supply was off and we had to do our school homework using candle lights (ok, not in Bucharest but in smaller villages). Also, do you feel like having a hot shower? Well, you could try but there are more chances if you heat the water yourself using a pot and a stove :) Oh, you could skip watching Dallas and your chances of having that hot shower were improved dramatically :P

And I could continue for hours to write you but I think it's enough.

Romania could be one of the poorest countries in European Union but I don't miss for a second your socialism :P

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Ye, Serana, that naive danish girl doesn't know what she wishes. :D

You've just described some of the features, but more interesting mechanism lies beyond.

In socialism all power are concentrated in government. In simple terms, government decides who gets what, when and where. If you are not in the government, you are simply nothing - one more ant in the hive. There are always greedy and evil people. Huge corruption arises in such environment. Soviet Union dissolved 23 years ago, I was just a child back then. Nevertheless, I still see its roots and feel its presence. Currently, after all this years, corruption is still number one problem in our countries.

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Oh dear I'm such a fool *blushes* Or I should say I'm such an ethnocentric one perhaps O_O The horror. I forgot about a history you of course remember. 

 

Well I do think socialism and gift economy can work, but not like you experienced it of course. I think the kind of socialism in Scandinavia is going in the right direction and I find gift economy interesting. 

 

And what I meant about the game and the gold was what I've always talked about (to keep on topic) about working together and sharing things, perhaps it's more like anarchy is thought to work. 

 

Now I'm just all beaten and embaressed and will go and sleep. And I promise to remember we have such different histories :/ 

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And what I meant about the game and the gold was what I've always talked about (to keep on topic) about working together and sharing things, perhaps it's more like anarchy is thought to work. 

And eventually we will find some man that will steal everything from us. :D Socialism, baby! :wink2:

Don't worry about us. Remember, what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.

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I am sorry Nuin if my text was too brutal. I didn't mean to make you feel bad.

In a perfect world, communism would work just fine. But Earth is not a perfect world and most people, starting with common guys up to the Government, as Flavia said, are egoist, selfish, greedy, they care only about them and their families. It's human nature.

So in real world it doesn't work. If you take an average Joe and put him ipotetically as President with absolute powers, what do you think he will do? Think about his people and his country?

Maybe. But there are far more chances he will start to steal money from budget, accumulate more and more power if he can, eliminate his opponents, put relatives or friends in key Governamental positions and so on. Become a corrupt dictator in other words.

This is the real issue. Human nature. That's why Western societies, in order to prevent this, put all sorts of mechanisms in place: The President is controlled by the Constitutional Court, the Governement by the Parliament and so on. But in a corrupted society, like we still are, such mechanisms don't (always) work.

 

Sorry again and please don't feel bad. We are not complaining about this but learned to adapt.

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